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Oct 24, 2010

VOLT mpg rang erred by about 500%???

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In August of last year, we heard GM's then-CEO Fritz Henderson claimed with all the marketing might it could muster at a Detroit-area press event, that the Chevy Volt would get 230 MPG in city driving conditions. Now, as the Volt's being tested by the auto trade press, we're seeing some surprisingly low fuel economy figures amid the expected lavish praise buff books are heaping upon the Volt.

Let's see what they've found out. Popular Mechanics saw just 37.5 MPG in city driving. Car and Driver apparently didn't choose to use their wheel time for any city driving — but found with all-electric driving

"...getting on the nearest highway and commuting with the 80-mph flow of traffic-basically the worst-case scenario-yielded 26 miles; a fairly spirited back-road loop netted 31; and a carefully modulated cruise below 60 mph pushed the figure into the upper 30s."

Motor Trend, like the rest of the trade press other than Popular Mechanics, didn't appear to do any testing in city conditions, but did find that

"Without any plugging in, [a weeklong trip to Grandma's house] should return fuel economy in the high 30s to low 40s."

They also parrot GM's new line of 25-50 miles of all-electric — a far cry from the 230 MPG they originally marketed — that the "Volt provides 25-50 miles of real-world electric operation no matter how hard you flog it." Read full at Jalopnik

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Apr 10, 2015

Another Electric Car Bites The Dust: Current Chevy Volt To Go The Way Of The Aztek Due To Plunging Sales

zero hedge - A week ago when observing the latest GM deliveries, we noticed something troubling:

Here is the unpleasant detail for a car that five years ago was among the biggest hopes for the recently bankrupt auto maker:

 

It was thus inevitable that the car which first went on sale in 2010 amid very high expectations, and whose lackluster sales of 70,000 to date, far below initial company forecasts amid low gasoline prices and the release of more capable electric models from competitors, was about to be mothballed. Today Reuters confirmed as much when it reported that GM will "halt production of the Chevrolet Volt electric car for the summer to whittle down about seven months of unsold inventory and smooth the way for the next generation of the plug-in hybrid sedan."

Production of the current model, which costs $34,000 and up before federal tax credits, will halt early next month, the Detroit auto maker has said. It will be replaced by a 2016 model with a sleeker design and up to 50 miles range on an electric charge. That second generation Volt will go into production at the end of the summer.

Alas, absent a surge in the price of gasoline back into the high $3 range, the prospects of this "upgrade" will hardly be any better.

From Reuters:

The production hiatus comes after a first quarter in which sales fell well behind Nissan Motor Co.'s Leaf electric car in the U.S. GM sold 1,874 Volts during the three-month period, equivalent to the number of Silverado pickups sold in a day, and in contrast to Nissan's 4,085 Leaf sales. Volt stocks are enough to last 210 days, or until November, at their March sales pace, according to researcher Autodata Corp. Car makers generally like to have about 60 days of inventory at dealers.

Reinvigorating consumer interest in the Volt, a car that has a battery and a small gasoline motor, is a top priority for GM as it prepares to release its fully-electric Bolt sedan, say analysts. Volt development consumed more than a billion dollars but has failed to generate a fraction of the buzz that Tesla Motors Inc. has with its pricier Model S luxury electric car or Toyota Motor Corp. with its Prius family.

According to Pam Fletcher, GM's chief electric-vehicle engineer, Chevrolet executives have kept in close contact with initial Volt buyers, polling them on issues spanning quality to performance to design. One key thing it learned, "People said they didn't want a science experiment," Ms. Fletcher said.

That's odd because the buyers of Tesla's own electric car have no problem with that particular science experiment. Then again, when it comes to electric cars, the Apple marketing scheme is far more applicable: the price should be higher, not lower, because a "science experiment" is acceptable as long as it also happens to be a status symbol, A very expensive one preferably, which is the primary reason why there is still any demand for Teslas around the globe.

That, however, has not dawned on GM's marketing department just yet, although there is hope: according to Reuters, the marketing plan for the next generation Volt is still coming together said Chevrolet Car Marketing Director Steve Majoros. GM plans to address the confusion around a battery-powered car that has a gasoline engine. Dealers will get "significant marketing support" for the 2016 model. "We will be out publicly and big," he added.

Brett Hedrick, owner of Hedrick's Chevrolet in Clovis, Calif., said he is in favor of greater support from GM for Volt sales, but said electric cars won't catch on until they make financial sense. When gas prices went down consumers weren't "as conscious about conserving," he said. 

Mr. Hedrick said his current challenge is selling the Volt inventory on his lot before the new model arrives—something he hopes GM will support.

Chelsea Sexton, a Los Angeles-based electric car advocate, said while GM made a lot of waves when it first launched Volt, it lost soon ground to other auto makers who released fully electric vehicles.

She said GM lately has reached out less often to enthusiasts, noting talks with herself and others "have largely fallen off…as those conversations fall off, it's hard to tell where they stand in the long term."

Dealers say GM has to regain mind share in electric cars. "We just don't have presence in the space currently," said Jamaal McCoy, general manager of Findlay Chevrolet in Las Vegas. "When someone thinks of an electric vehicle they don't think of Chevrolet; they think Toyota or Tesla."

... For now. Because Tesla's electric "supremacy" days may well be numbered with the arrival of the BMW i8 and other ultra high-end competition. Because when it comes to novelty electric cars which despite the best intentions and efforts of their makers simply refuse to become mainstream, one has to differentiate in other ways. For Tesla that something is appealing to the buyer's vanity and desire to show off their wallet. However, that success of such a strategy is limited as the recent drop in Tesla sales in China is confirming.

As for the current iteration of Chevy Volt, it has finally met its fate on the recycling lot, which as many had predicted long ago, will be right next to that other GM "shock and awe" concept: the infamous Pontiac Aztek.


Jun 4, 2010

Nissan Leaf Electric Car Sold Out i.e. VOLT = DOA

The new Leaf electric car is not scheduled to arrive at dealerships until January 2011, and that model year is already sold out. CEO Carlos Ghosn has not yet decided if the automaker will continue to take preorders for the electric auto. T After speaking to the Detroit Economic Club, CEO Ghosn said that the company is very happy with the level of advance orders.

The cars are priced at $32,780 with buyers receiving a federal tax credit of $7,500

Last week Nissan broke ground in Smyrna, Tennessee on a plant that will produce Leaf batteries and, in the future, batteries for other Nissan models. Beginning in 2012, the electric Leaf will be assembled in Tennessee.

Nissan has set the goal of selling half a million electric cars worldwide beginning in 2013.

According to CEO Ghosn, Nissan was only interested in manufacturing a car that was all-electric, without any gasoline at all, because they wanted a car with zero emissions. Read more at Source

I did not think GM could make more mistakes with the volt - I was wrong.
Just as Nissan and China announce they both have plans to invest billions in the U.S. and open massive plants in America... 

The Detroit Free Press is reporting that GM will indeed build the Chevy Volt in China, but that all the Volts built in China will remain in China.

Ouch!
Track the demise of the volt on this blog.... just search gm, volt


Aug 12, 2009

More G.M. VOLT dreams and hype from Bob Lutz

I find it interesting that "Mr. VOLT", Bob Lutz who publicly called global warming a "total crock of sh*t" has been the national campaign lead leader for the 'next green car' Chevy VOLT. Now GM is claiming that the VOLT will get 230 mpg in the slashdot article below. I wonder who is spilling a "total crock of sh*t". At $40,000 I do hope the volt can pull this off. That way it will only take 20 years for the MPG fuels saves to cover the upfront enormous $15K price over the competition.

Compare a VOLT to Prius over time at $5 a gallon
MPG Gallon Year 3 5 10 20
230 5.000 217 652 1087 2174 4348
60 5.000 833 2500 4167 8333 16667


-616 -1848 -3080 -6159 -12,319

slashdot - "General Motors, emerging from bankruptcy, today announced that its upcoming plug-in hybrid vehicle, the Volt, will have an EPA rating of 230 mpg for city driving (about 98 km/L). The unprecedented rating, the first in triple digits, is the result of a new (draft) methodology for calculating the 'gas' mileage for vehicles that operate primarily or extensively on electricity. The Volt, due out late next year, can drive approximately 40 miles on its Li-Ion battery pack, after which a gasoline engine kicks in to provide additional electricity to charge the battery. Running off the gasoline engine yields approximately 50 mpg. Of course, the devil's in the details, because the conversion of grid-based electricity to gasoline-mileage is imprecise."

Math hurts, as it is reality based- Haase


Update:
CNN agrees with Haase?
You won't save enough on fuel costs to compensate for the likely higher sticker price.




And then the truth comes out:
GM admits Volt doubts
General Motors has cast doubt over the long-term future of the Chevrolet Volt by claiming it may not be commercially viable and other rivals may overtake it with superior and more advanced technology.

GM submitted a regulatory filing report to the US Treasury yesterday and CEO Fritz Henderson claimed its “disclosures are consistent with our commitment to remain transparent and to keep the public informed of our progress”.

Jan 29, 2012

Chevy Volt Battery Issue The Next Solyndra? | EarthTechling

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Is a new Solyndra brewing in the halls of power in Washington? One might think so with word today of a new report released by Republicans on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. According to Bloomberg, this report basically accuses the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration in a cover up of sorts over the battery fire issue the NHTSA just closed its investigation on last week.

From the 16-page report’s executive summary:

The delayed public notification of serious safety concerns relating to the Chevy Volt raises significant concerns regarding the unnatural relationship between General Motors (GM), Chrysler and the Obama Administration. Rather than allowing GM and Chrysler to enter into a traditional bankruptcy process, the Obama Administration intervened and forced the companies to participate in a politically orchestrated process.  The result was that GM and Chrysler emerged as quasi-private entities, partially owned by the United States government.

President Obama has used this unusual blurring of public and private sector boundaries to openly tout the results of this partnership as a top accomplishment of his Administration –creating a dynamic where the President is politically reliant on the success of GM and Chrysler.Moreover, in the case of GM, the Administration has offered substantial taxpayer funded subsidies to encourage production of the Volt, such as $151.4 million in stimulus funds for a Michigan-based company that produces lithium-ion polymer battery cells for the Volt as well as $105 million directly to GM. It has also extended a significant subsidy to encourage consumers to purchase the vehicle, offering buyers of the Volt a federal tax credit of up to $7,500 per vehicle.

In the face of that political dependency, it is deeply troubling that public notification of the safety concerns related to the Volt was inexplicably delayed for six months – a period of time that also coincides with the negotiation over the 2017-2025 fuel economy standards. The necessity of a full explanation for NHTSA’s silence concerning the Volt’s safety risk has been compounded by its lack of cooperation with the Committee...

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Sep 11, 2012

Insight: GM's Volt: The ugly math of low sales, high costs | as much as $89,000 to produce each one

(Reuters) - General Motors Co sold a record number of Chevrolet Volt sedans in August — but that probably isn't a good thing for the automaker's bottom line.

Nearly two years after the introduction of the path-breaking plug-in hybrid, GM is still losing as much as $49,000 on each Volt it builds, according to estimates provided to Reuters by industry analysts and manufacturing experts. GM on Monday issued a statement disputing the estimates.

Cheap Volt lease offers meant to drive more customers to Chevy showrooms this summer may have pushed that loss even higher. There are some Americans paying just $5,050 to drive around for two years in a vehicle that cost as much as $89,000 to produce.

And while the loss per vehicle will shrink as more are built and sold, GM is still years away from making money on the Volt, which will soon face new competitors from Ford, Honda and others.

GM's basic problem is that "the Volt is over-engineered and over-priced," said Dennis Virag, president of the Michigan-based Automotive Consulting Group.

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Mar 2, 2011

GM VOLT... ReVolting to enviro-economics

The Detroit News "When you are looking at purely dollars and cents, it doesn't really make a lot of sense. The Volt isn't particularly efficient as an electric vehicle and it's not particularly good as a gas vehicle either in terms of fuel economy," said David Champion, the senior director of Consumer Reports auto testing center at a meeting with reporters here. "This is going to be a tough sell to the average consumer."

  • The magazine has put about 2,500 miles on its Volt. It paid $48,700, including a $5,000 markup by a Chevy dealer.
  • Champion noted the Volt is about twice as expensive as a Prius.
  • He was said the five hour time to recharge the Volt was "annoying" and was also critical of the power of the Volt heating system.
  • "You have seat heaters, which keep your body warm, but your feet get cold and your hands get cold," Champion said.
You know you have a problem when the best word you can pull from a review is "annoying."
Haase - It is hard for me to imagine your tax dollars in the form of a $7,500 tax rebate on a $43,000 car when I have never spent more than $5,000 on my last two daily driven used car for the last 20 years both  got over 35mpg?

Even worse? CARB-Approved Volt to Qualify for Additional $5,000 Rebate

Jun 26, 2009

GM Volt FAIL - Will be made in China

I did not think GM could make more mistakes with the volt - I was wrong.

Just as Nissan and China announce they both have plans to invest billions in the U.S. and open massive plants in America...
The Detroit Free Press is reporting that GM will indeed build the Chevy Volt in China, but that all the Volts built in China will remain in China.

Ouch!
Track the demise of the volt on this blog.... just search gm, volt

May 22, 2011

WTF - General Motors sponsors Chinese Communist Party (CCP)

Well here is an interesting way to spend U.S. Tax dollars???

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"In late 2010, General Motors agreed to sponsor a propaganda film celebrating the 90th anniversary of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). The CCP made film titled (translated to English) 'The Birth of a Party' or 'The Great Achievement of Founding the Party' is set to premiere all over the Communist nation on June 15 reported China AutoWeb last September." - Washington Times

More GM U.S. Tax payer bailout FAILs
Bail out FAIL - The Deal to Sell GM to China
Bailout bonus: GM becoms a foreign corporation
G.M. destine to fail over and over again
GM Volt FAIL - Will be made in China

Ouch!
Track the demise of the VOLT on this blog.... just search gm, volt

Dec 6, 2008

We have not moved in - 108 Years Later...

Around 1900, Thomas Edison Worked on an Electric, Plug In, Car - 108 Years Later: We're Still Dealing with the Same Problems
 
Around 1900 there were electric taxis operating in New York, and other cities. After Thomas Edison's laboratory burned down, he was never able to advance his electric car program. He was already an old man.
 
Thomas Edison, George Westinghouse, and Nicola Tesla, were the genius inventors who brought electricity into a world lit by fire. Thomas Edison had an unbelievable work ethic. He tested a few thousand filaments for his light bulb, until he finally arrived at the right one. He famously said, "invention was 90% perspiration and 10% inspiration." When Thomas Edison wasn't working on electricity, he invented the phonograph, and motion pictures.
 
http://www.hybrid-vehicle.org/images/4x4-lohner-porsche2.jpgAs a child, Nicola Tesla dreamed of one day harnessing the power of Niagara Falls. Nicola Tesla achieved his dream, when he, and George Westinghouse were able to convert the power of Niagara Falls into electricity, and to send that electricity into Buffalo NY. They accomplished this fete in1896, just 17 years after Thomas Edison perfected his electric light bulb.
 
These gentlemen, would be spinning electrons, in their graves, if they knew that, with all of our computers, and technology, we can't develop a cheap electric, plug in car. They galloped over the technology hurdles, of their day, leaving clouds of dust behind them.
 
Thomas Edison, Nicola Tesla, and Westinghouse, were entrepreneur inventors who gambled their fortunes and reputations on their inventions. The Chevrolet Volt will be the product of over paid, bureaucratic, executives. I wish Bob Lutz well, and hope, and pray, that the Chevrolet Volt is a winner. GM is hoping the Chevy Volt will help stave off bankruptcy. The silver haired fox might have one last, great victory, in him.
 
When it comes to GM's new plug in, electric car, the Chevy Volt, it appears that GM might not have the burning desire, to produce a market winner.
 
The highly awaited Chevy Volt, which is supposed to cost $40,000.00, is priced too high for the average consumer. The Chevy Volt will cost about double the price of the popular Toyota Prius Hybrid, which lists for about $22,000. It appears that GM might be planning a market failure, at least until they can produce and sell enough Volts to lower the cost.
 
What makes me doubt that Lutz has the prerequisite, fire in the belly, that all of history's famous inventors had, is that he recently said, "global warming is a crock of shit." Are you detecting a lack of urgency?
 
Bob Lutz might be one of the most admired and experienced executives in the car industry. At 76 he's also one of the oldest. Lutz seems wed to the past. His collection of classic cars rivals Jay Leno's. No matter what happens to GM, Bob Lutz's 6.9 million dollar salary will leave him a wealthy man.
 
The high cost of the Chevy Volt has to do with the batteries. Around 1900 Thomas Edison developed a reliable automotive battery. Around the same time he planned production of an electric car. Then as now, the major problem with the electric car, was producing a reliable, cheap, light weight, battery. Thomas Edison envisioned, widely available charging stations that would recharge the electric car's batteries.
 
 

Apr 27, 2009

White House Report: GM Volt is Not Ready for Prime Time

...While the White House did not specifically lay the Volt's problems at the feet of the battery industry, Plug in America did.

In their refutation of the auto industry task force report, Plug in America said: "California law requires that the Volt and other plug-in hybrids come with a 10-year warranty. To ensure this longer life, automakers are as much as doubling the size of the battery pack, increasing cost to manufacturer and consumer. But not a single production plug-in electric vehicle sold to date, from GM’s early EV1 to today’s Tesla, has had a warranty of more than five years, noted Plug In America advisory board member Chelsea Sexton.

In January 2009 the DOE released its 2008 Annual Progress Report for the Energy Storage Research and Development Vehicle Technologies Program that concluded Li-ion batteries were not ready for prime time in PHEV and EV applications.  In March 2009 the President's auto industry task force issued a report that the GM Volt, the first Li-ion powered PHEV proposed by a major manufacturer, was not ready for prime time.

Is anybody out there listening to the facts or are the PR jungle drums from a few undercapitalized Li-ion battery developers simply drowning out the voice of reason and prudence?

Cheap Li-manganese batteries from LG-Chem and $7,500 in Federal Tax Credits are not enough to make the Chevy Volt commercially viable. Comparable batteries from Ener1 (HEV) were not enough to keep Th!nk out of fiscal reorganization in Norway. More expensive Li-phosphate batteries from A123 Systems are unlikely to keep Chrysler out of bankruptcy.

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by John Petersen at altenergystocks

Nov 13, 2011

GM Volt fire said to prompt U.S. probe of lithium batteries

washingtonpost: U.S. auto-safety regulators are scrutinizing the safety of lithium-ion batteries that power all plug-in electric vehicles after a General Motors Co. Chevrolet Volt caught fire, people familiar with the probe said. The regulators have asked automakers, including GM, Nissan Motor Co. and Ford Motor Co., that sell or have plans to sell vehicles with lithium-ion batteries about the batteries’ fire risk, four people familiar with the inquiry said. The Volt caught fire while parked at a National Highway...

May 16, 2009

GM's hybrid answer? Outsource to China...

In the biggest fail yet to provide small and fuel efficient cars... GM's answer is typical, outsourcing when beaten and after taking BILLIONS of tax payer dollars....
 
General Motors Corp.  (newsvine) plans to begin exports of vehicles made in China to the United States within two years, ramping up China export sales to triple by 2014, reports said Wednesday.
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The main focus would be on exporting small cars similar to the Chevrolet Spark, the reports said.
 
If true, GM could end up becoming the first automaker to begin exporting to the U.S. from China: previously announced plans by Chinese manufacturers to crack the U.S. market have so far fizzled.
 
Opting to export from China would help the company, now surviving on $15.4 billion in federal loans, to slash production costs and make full use of its huge investments in factories here.  via Reuters newsvine
 
 
Read more on how GM has Failed with your billions...

 

Image credit: CNN

Jan 8, 2012

The Chevy "Electric Lemon" needs a charge - GM trying to avoid the bad publicity of VOLT recalls

The Chevrolet VOLT may be the "crown jewel" of government intervention examples... of what not to do.

After tax payers have spent tens of millions on developing batteries that can only get a car 50 miles, hundreds of millions on hybrid incentives and billions on bailouts... the news gets worse for dying VOLT sales.

Early this month we hear that, "Each Chevy Volt sold thus far may have as much as $250,000 in state and federal dollars in incentives behind it – a total of $3 billion altogether"

Now, the Volts that caught fire after government crash tests are trying to avoid the bad publicity of recalls
The Sacramento Bee - Eligible for the free repairs, announced Thursday, are 8,000 Volts on U.S. roads and another 4,400 still for sale. The cars are covered by a "customer satisfaction program" run by GM, which is similar to a safety recall but allows the carmaker to avoid the bad publicity and federal monitoring that come with a recall...GM has a huge incentive to fix the problem and protect the Volt's image. Although the car isn't a big seller - it's fallen short of sales goals - it burnishes GM's image as a greener, more innovative carmaker.

Please read more at The Sacramento Bee

Haase Note:
Of the 8,000 sold...
6,500 Volt owners have requested the automaker buyback their car

Dec 4, 2011

GM now willing to buy back Volts from worried owners

GM now willing to buy back Volts from worried ownersChevrolet Volt

According to the Associated Press, GM CEO Dan Akerson has said General Motors will buy back any Chevrolet Volt from owners who are concerned about the vehicle's fire risk. Akerson said that his company isn't making the move because the plug-in hybrids are unsafe, but because GM is committed to keeping its customers happy. The CEO also said that GM is prepared to recall the 6,000 Volt models currently on the road if the federal government deems such an action necessary. As you may recall, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration discovered that the Volt could catch fire several days after a severe side-impact crash and rollover. 
Read on at: AutoblogGreen

Feb 12, 2012

Chevy FAIL's by confusing aliens to pitch Volt in Super Bowl ad... While Eastwood's knocks it out of the park for Chrysler

This commercial looked like a joke compared to the moving words of Clint Eastwood's:
Chrysler – It’s Halftime In America –Super Bowl 2012. This country can’t be knocked out with one punch. We get right back up again and when we do the world is going to hear the roar of our engines. Yeah, it’s halftime America. And, our second half is about to begin.

VOLT insults buyers for not understanding the "mechanics" of VOLT... here let our made up aliens show you how???

AutoBlogGreen - Just when you thought you'd seen all the Super Bowl ads there were to see, Chevrolet jumps in with a whole new spot for the Chevrolet Volt. The supposed savior of General Motors has been struggling to make sales headway for a number of reasons. GM managed to move a paltry 603 units in January. With some dealers refusing their allocations, the automaker is keen on putting the spurs to Volt sales. The Super Bowl ad features a host of very curious aliens attempting to comprehend the science behind the propulsion system in the Chevrolet Volt.

It would seem GM believes buyers are being scared off from the Volt because they simply don't understand the mechanics behind the plug-in hybrid.

Continue reading Chevy turns to aliens to pitch Volt in Super Bowl ad

Dec 1, 2011

Is the Chevy Volt dangerous? « Midwest Energy News

“The Volt is a five-star safety car. Even though no customer has experienced in the real world what was identified in this latest testing of post-crash situations, we’re taking critical steps to ensure customer satisfaction and safety,” said GM’s North American President Mark Reuss in a written statement. GM sent a letter to all Chevrolet Volt owners on November 28, assuring them that their cars are safe and offering to provide a replacement GM vehicle for owners to drive “until this issue is resolved.”

The NHTSA also said in a statement that Volt owners who haven’t been in a major crash “do not have reason for concern,” and the Detroit Free Press reports that Volt owners don’t seem to be nearly as concerned about the fires as the media is.

So what’s all the hype about? Do electric cars really post a fire hazard?

To answer that question, we need to take a closer look at battery chemistry at: http://www.midwestenergynews.com/2011/11/29/is-the-chevy-volt-dangerous-2/

Apr 8, 2009

Chevy VOLT - Forcing dreams into reality is called a delusion...

I am not a pessimist, but I have a hard time with this one... VOLT is innovative?

Big GAV from accross the pond had a great month talking about innovation, but when I read about the Chevy VOLT over the last year. Innovation was NOT in the context.

I have drove, worked on and helped on some amazing vehicles over the last 20 years. 200 mpg fuel sippers, 7 passenger clean 2 cycle CNG's, a garage full of long range electric... I see innovation coming and it is not from volt.

The volts looks just like it the cars it copies (see photos here) .

Is innovation taking other ideas and selling them under different brands?

My 93' GEO (Chevy/Toyota car) gets between 38-44mpg* all the time, regardless of how I treat it.

Before that, I drove a 85 Renault alliance that averaged over 45 mpg*, but sacrificed mpg for the safety and reliability of the GEO due to having a couple kids (they do that to you).

I waited the last decade with dreams, there would be another Chevy that would replace my GEO.  Or just a GEO with a 1.2L turbo clean diesel engine running CNG/Biogas... like Top Gear's $7,000 70mpg VW.

And yes, it is healthy to dream, but when people force their dreams into reality it is called a delusion...

 

The VOLT is the last shred of hope...  Did G.M. watch the Top Gear 70mpg VW or hear about GS and Nissan Motors?

Nissan has a 'ready for primetime full long range electric' - I think will rock the world in 2011.

VW and BMW have a glutton of 45mpg safe + family cars on the table... Even in my budget... there are now full electric and hybrid cars coming to WalMart between $1,000-$5,000 But, a VOLT $40,000+ 'copy car' that shows less innovation than the 1905 Pieper.

 

We also have to equate lifetime environmental and 'true ownership costs'...

The 'Dust to Dust' cost to operate a Prius is still $2.191 per mile.

What will the VOLT be? At least $4 per mile... at $40K (In my lifetime, I have not spent a total of $40,000 on ALL my daily driven cars...)

 

‘Earth to G.M., Time to get in the game!’

Your recent bailout cash could have bought the companies that make better technology and secured a stable future in the global auto market for decades while saving it at the same time !


Seriously, I have purchased great Chevy's in the past, but I am keeping the GEO or buying Foreign until I see affordable, clean innovation in U.S. show rooms.

 

*Yes I did 'tweak' the cars for mpg using EPA rated rim fires, hard rubber skinny tires, light oils and free flow intake/exhaust for 15% better mpg.

Apr 6, 2012

GM sending Volt Fleet to China to reverse engineer billions in U.S. funding and research, just like U.S. solar

Happy Good Friday Bob,
Please take what you want from my post regarding the fire sail industry is doing with china on in our most innovative industries (Note that there is a plant in China a few miles from a Ford plant that sells turn key ford knock offs that have nearly 90% interchange parts.. My guess is the 1% is logos, cup holders and any safety features).

Definitely signs of collapse... Like a foreclosure yard sale. Yikes.

Hope you have a wonderful Easter,

Chris


Subject: GM sending Volt Fleet to China to reverse engineer billions in U.S. funding and research, just like U.S. solar

Why are we selling billions in tax payer research and technology for large corporations to sell it for pennies on the dollar? 

The U.S. has spent billions in loans, rebates and subsidies developing the batteries and technology of the FAILED Chevy VOLT. Now in a last ditch effort to make profits and false partnerships... GM will be handing over a demonstration fleet to the China to "review"? 

Lesson for solar industry...What have we learned?
After the U.S. spent decades and Billion$ developing world leading solar technology in universities and industry, we literally sent our best core developers over to China to start solar manufacturing companies. Now the most profitable, high tech solar companies in the world are in China thanks to your tax dollars.

I have friends in these solar industries and I personally watched this train wreck happen...Now we will watch it happen to our electric car dreams. 

How is selling our core computer, battery, manufacturing or intellectual properties for pennies on the dollar not relevant to U.S. tax payers, industries or government?